Talk:Harddrive

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Need help getting data for the different SKU models and the default harddrive they are equiped with.

There is still some conflicting data to be sorted out, e.g.:

maximum size internal drive

The maximum size of the internal harddrive that the PS3 supports is 1TB (TeraBytes) 

note: this seems untrue as there are several people posting pictures of their external to internal drive mod with a size of 2TB

Personal experience

Using Normal Mode and Recovery - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle)
  • Using Recovery it is possible to finish the format of the harddrive until 100%. The system however fails to reboot automaticly after that and halts. When enforced to reboot, it errors out with "Wrong Harddrive".
  • When trying all the other Recovery Menu options it errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
  • When trying to boot to XMB it also errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
  • When replacing the drive for the previous tested 1TB harddrive, it boots without errors to XMB and reports : 827GB free/931GB total
Conclusion
>1TB didn't not work.
Using Factory Service Mode - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle) FSM
  • Second try, using Service Mode
  • first replacing drive for original 120GB 2.5" and using Factory Service Mode to downgrade to lowest firmware the system can handle (2K slim -> FW 2.70)
  • Replaced for 1.5TB 3.5" drive and do exactly the same 2.70 again
  • Boot to XMB with Service Mode still activated
    • No problems to get into XMB, but checking System Settings > System Information shows size detection issues:
System Software  Version 2.70
IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Free Space       30 G
  • Exit Factory Service Mode
    • Blank screen freeze when trying to boot to XMB in normal mode
  • Power off and try again gives "system software was not installed correct" error
  • inserted USB with 2.70 on normal location and START+SELECT button to let it reinstall
    • Preparing Update counts to 100% and then halts (does not reboot), just like in first trial.
  • Manual poweroff and reboot just results in blank screen with no harddrive activity
Conclusion
>1TB didn't not work in normal or recovery mode only with FSM enabled.
Going back to the 1TB and crosschecking
  • Replacing drive back to the working 1TB (has 3.55 on it) gives prompt to reinstall 2.70, doing so errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
  • Entering Factory Service Mode with 1TB and let it reinstall via lv2diag results fine without errors: UPDATER_LOG.TXT
  • Boot to XMB with Service Mode still activated
    • No problems to get into XMB, but checking System Settings > System Information shows size detection issues (the '30 G' seems to be FSM related):
System Software  Version 2.70
IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Free Space       30 G
  • Exit Factory Service Mode
  • No problems to get into XMB, and checking System Settings > System Information shows no size detection issues:
System Software  Version 2.70
IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Free Space       827GB / 931GB
Conclusion
<1TB works fine in all modi.

maximum size external drive

External HDD : You can format it to any size up to 8TB

note: this seems untrue, because when >2TB drives have hit the market, no screenshots of >2TB external storage are known



AES-256-CBC versus AES-256-XTS

There is conflicting mention of sources for the algo/mode used for GameOS encryption.

Fact:

  • Sony/IBM loves AES
  • 256bit based
  • sectorsize 512 bytes (4096 bits)
  • blockcipher
  • recurring patterns are seen

Reference:

Experimental Tables

A collection of productsheets/datasheets renamed and ordered by series http://www.sendspace.com/file/yi4zi6 (fujitsu series are missing)

All HDD models are 2.5" and 9.5 milimeters height max, with 1 platter, rotating at 5.400 rpm with 512 bytes per sector
Manufacturer Series Model Capacity Rotation Speed
(Platters/Heads)		 Buffer Interface Seek Speeds Power Requirements Operating
Temp.		 Noise
Max		 Used in PS3 Models
tracks latency read write startup idle read write
Fujitsu MHW MHW2040BH 40 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-150 1.5 ms 5.56 ms 12 ms 14 ms 1.0 A 0.60 W 1.9 W 1.9 W 55 ºC 2.0 bels CECHJxx
MHZ MHZ2080BH 80 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-300 1.5 ms 5.56 ms 12 ms 14 ms 1.0 A 0.60 W 1.9 W 1.9 W 55 ºC 2.4 bels CECHKxx, CECHLxx
MHZ2160BH 160 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-300 1.5 ms ?.?? ms ?? ms ?? ms 1.0 A 0.60 W 2.1 W 2.1 W 55 ºC 2.0 bels CECHPxx, CECHQxx
Hitachi Travelstar 5K160 HTS541640J9SA00 40 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-150 2.2 ms 5.50 ms 14 ms 15 ms 1.0 A 0.85 W 1.8 W 1.8 W 55 ºC 2.7 bels CECHHxx
Travelstar 5K250 HTS542580K9SA00 80 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-150 2.2 ms 5.50 ms 14 ms 15 ms 1.0 A 0.85 W 1.8 W 1.8 W 55 ºC 2.7 bels CECHLxx
Travelstar 5K500 HTS545012B9SA00 120 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-150 2.2 ms 5.50 ms 14 ms 15 ms 0.9 A 0.80 W 1.4 W 1.4 W 55 ºC 2.9 bels CECH-20xxA
Travelstar Z5K500 HTS545050A7E380 500 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-300 2.2 ms 5.50 ms 13 ms 13 ms 0.9 A 0.55 W 1.6 W 1.6 W 60 ºC 2.1 bels CECH-40xxC
Seagate Momentus 5400.2 ST96812AS 60 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-150 1.5 ms 5.56 ms 12 ms 14 ms 1.1 A 0.99 W 1.9 W 2.3 W 55 ºC 3.1 bels CECHAxx, CECHCxx
Momentus 5400.3 ST980811AS 80 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-150 1.5 ms 5.56 ms 11 ms 13 ms 1.0 A 0.75 W 1.9 W 1.8 W 60 ºC 3.2 bels CECHExx
LD25 SATA ST920217AS 20 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 2 MB SATA-150 2.0 ms 5.60 ms 16 ms 16 ms 1.0 A ?.?? W 2.3 W 2.3 W 55 ºC 2.7 bels CECHBxx
ST9402115AS 40 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 2 MB SATA-150 2.0 ms 5.60 ms 16 ms 16 ms 1.0 A 2.00 W 2.3 W 2.3 W 55 ºC 2.7 bels CECHGxx, CECHHxx
LD25 5400.2 ST940210AS 40 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 2 MB SATA-150 1.5 ms 5.60 ms 15 ms 15 ms 1.0 A 2.50 W 2.3 W 2.3 W 60 ºC 2.6 bels CECHJxx
Toshiba MKxx52GSX MK8052GSX 80 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms ?.?? ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.85 W 2.0 W 2.0 W 55 ºC 25 dBA CECHLxx
MK1652GSX 160 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms ?.?? ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.85 W 2.0 W 2.0 W 55 ºC 25 dBA CECHPxx
MKxx55GSX MK1255GSX 120 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms 5.55 ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.85 W 1.4 W 1.4 W 55 ºC 2.0 bels CECH-20xxA
MK2555GSX 250 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms 5.55 ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.85 W 1.4 W 1.4 W 55 ºC 2.0 bels CECH-20xxB
MKxx65GSX MK1665GSX 160 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms ?.?? ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.75 W 1.5 W 1.5 W 55 ºC 20 dBA CECH-25xxA
MK3265GSX 320 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms ?.?? ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.75 W 1.5 W 1.5 W 55 ºC 20 dBA CECH-25xxB
MKxx76GSX MK1676GSX 160 GB 5400rpm (1/1) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms 5.55 ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.55 W 1.5 W 1.5 W 55 ºC 20 dBA CECH-30xxA
MK3276GSX 320 GB 5400rpm (1/2) 8 MB SATA-300 2.0 ms 5.55 ms 12 ms 12 ms 0.9 A 0.55 W 1.5 W 1.5 W 55 ºC 20 dBA CECH-30xxB
  • Meassuring units notes
    • Watts = Amps * volts (or... Amps = Watts / Volts)
    • There is no conversion formula between "bels" (sound power) and "dBA" (sound pressure)... are different meassure concepts and cant be compared



Speed Tests (PC)
Manufacturer Series Model HDtune HDtach ATTO PassMark Used in PS3 Models
min max average access burst Test Url average burst access Test Url write read Test Url score Test Url
Fujitsu MHW MHW2040BH 18 MB/s 38 MB/s 30 MB/s ? ? [Test Nº] 28.2 MB/s 28.5 MB/s 21.8 ms [Test Nº] 214 [Test Nº] CECHJxx
MHZ MHZ2080BH 13.6 MB/s 61.8 MB/s 46.0 MB/s 18.3ms 72.2 MB/s [Test Nº] 311 [Test Nº] CECHKxx, CECHLxx
MHZ2160BH 33.4 MB/s
15.4 MB/s
31.7 MB/s
6.7 MB/s
29.3 MB/s
27.8 MB/s		 68.2 MB/s
63.4 MB/s
63.1 MB/s
63.5 MB/s
60.2 MB/s
60.2 MB/s		 54.3 MB/s
50.4 MB/s
50.5 MB/s
46.1 MB/s
46.4 MB/s
46.9 MB/s		 17.2ms
17.4ms
17.3ms
19.3ms
21.9ms
17.4ms		 75.2 MB/s
75.7 MB/s
75.2 MB/s
71.5 MB/s
81.1 MB/s
66.3 MB/s		 [Test 1º]
[Test 2º]
[Test 3º]
[Test 4º]
[Test 5º]
[Test 6º]		 57.3 MB/s 77.3 MB/s 17.3ms [Test Nº] 66444 KB/s 64450 KB/s [Test Nº] 245 [Test Nº] CECHPxx, CECHQxx
Hitachi Travelstar 5K160 HTS541640J9SA00 15.2 MB/s 48.7 MB/s 38.8 MB/s 17.1 ms 91.3 MB/s [Test Nº] 40.5 MB/s 116.3 MB/s 17.1 ms [Test Nº] 261 [Test Nº] CECHHxx
Travelstar 5K250 HTS542580K9SA00 22.1 MB/s 44.3 MB/s 34.4 MB/s 17.4ms 77.0 MB/s [Test Nº] 36.0 MB/s ? 16.9ms [Test Nº] 226 [Test Nº] CECHLxx
Travelstar 5K500 HTS545012B9SA00 36.5 MB/s 79.2 MB/s 62.0 MB/s 20.2ms 99.9 MB/s [Test Nº] 363? [Test Nº] CECH-20xxA
Travelstar Z5K500 HTS545050A7E380 CECH-40xxC
Seagate Momentus 5400.2 ST96812AS 19.7 MB/s 39.0 MB/s 31.2 MB/s 16.9 ms 90.5 MB/s [Test Nº] 236 [Test Nº] CECHAxx, CECHCxx
Momentus 5400.3 ST980811AS 23.6 MB/s 53.2MB/s 41,4 MB/s 12.5 ms 96.4 MB/s [Test Nº] 240 [Test Nº] CECHExx
LD25 SATA ST920217AS 2.0 MB/s 30.9 MB/s 23,9 MB/s 21.0 ms 100.9 MB/s [Test Nº] 171 [Test Nº] CECHBxx
ST9402115AS 182 [Test Nº] CECHGxx, CECHHxx
LD25 5400.2 ST940210AS 21.0 MB/s 30.6 MB/s 27.2 MB/s 18.5ms 22.8 MB/s [Test Nº] 34.8 MB/s 88.1 MB/s 16.6 ms [Test Nº] 234 [Test Nº] CECHJxx
Toshiba MKxx52GSX MK8052GSX 6.6 MB/s
9.7 MB/s		 61.2 MB/s
27.5 MB/s		 46.0 MB/s
24.3 MB/s		 18.1ms
19.1ms		 87.3 MB/s
24.7 MB/s		 [Test Nº]
[Test Nº]		 326 [Test Nº] CECHLxx
MK1652GSX 16.9 MB/s
20.1 MB/s
31.2 MB/s
20.5 MB/s		 61.8 MB/s
61.9 MB/s
61.8 MB/s
61.8 MB/s		 49.5 MB/s
48.7 MB/s
50.2 MB/s
47.2 MB/s		 18.1ms
18.0ms
18.7ms
18.1ms		 73.0 MB/s
72.8 MB/s
73.3 MB/s
76.7 MB/s		 [Test 1º]
[Test 2º]
[Test 3º]
[Test 4º]		 50.6 MB/s 151.8 MB/s 18.1ms [Test Nº] 57604 KB/s 61077 KB/s [Test Nº] 341 [Test Nº] CECHPxx
MKxx55GSX MK1255GSX 24.8 MB/s 72.4 MB/s 52.9 MB/s 17.6ms 74.3 MB/s [Test Nº] 395 [Test Nº] CECH-20xxA
MK2555GSX CECH-20xxB
MKxx65GSX MK1665GSX 45.9 MB/s 93.8 MB/s 74.6 MB/s 16.8ms 203.6 MB/s [Test Nº] 77.3 MB/s 242.6 MB/s 16.7ms [Test Nº] 97969 KB/s 93858 KB/s [Test Nº] CECH-25xxA
MK3265GSX CECH-25xxB
MKxx76GSX MK1676GSX 46.0 MB/s 96.7 MB/s 76.6 MB/s 16.2ms 206.6 MB/s [Test Nº] CECH-30xxA
MK3276GSX 41.9 MB/s 89.6 MB/s 68.0 MB/s 16.8ms 143.2 MB/s [Test Nº] 516 [Test Nº] CECH-30xxB
  • Needs verification
    • seagate ST940210AS - "HDtach test" values has been taken from the old table from "HDtune" cells (i supposed was misplaced)
    • All ATTO tests gives 2 different values, in the old table sometimes is not clear wich one is read/write
    • toshiba MK3276GSX - "crystal tests" missing in the new table (are really needed?)
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