Talk:Harddrive: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 09:15, 11 December 2012

Todo

Need help getting data for the different SKU models and the default harddrive they are equiped with.

There is still some conflicting data to be sorted out, e.g.:

maximum size internal drive

The maximum size of the internal harddrive that the PS3 supports is 1TB (TeraBytes) 

note: this seems untrue as there are several people posting pictures of their external to internal drive mod with a size of 2TB

Personal experience

Using Normal Mode and Recovery - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle)

Using Recovery it is possible to finish the format of the harddrive until 100%. The system however fails to reboot automaticly after that and halts. When enforced to reboot, it errors out with "Wrong Harddrive".
When trying all the other Recovery Menu options it errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
When trying to boot to XMB it also errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
When replacing the drive for the previous tested 1TB harddrive, it boots without errors to XMB and reports : 827GB free/931GB total

Conclusion: >1TB didn't not work.

Using Factory Service Mode - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle) FSM

Second try, using Service Mode
first replacing drive for original 120GB 2.5" and using Factory Service Mode to downgrade to lowest firmware the system can handle (2K slim -> FW 2.70)
- Result is fine. Log showed no errors : UPDATER_LOG.TXT
Replaced for 1.5TB 3.5" drive and do exactly the same 2.70 again
- Result is fine. Log showed no errors : UPDATER_LOG.TXT
Boot to XMB with Service Mode still activated
- No problems to get into XMB, but checking System Settings > System Information shows size detection issues:

System Software  Version 2.70
IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Free Space       30 G

Exit Factory Service Mode
- Blank screen freeze when trying to boot to XMB in normal mode
Power off and try again gives "system software was not installed correct" error
inserted USB with 2.70 on normal location and START+SELECT button to let it reinstall
- Preparing Update counts to 100% and then halts (does not reboot), just like in first trial.
Manual poweroff and reboot just results in blank screen with no harddrive activity

Conclusion: >1TB didn't not work in normal or recovery mode only with FSM enabled.

Going back to the 1TB and crosschecking

Replacing drive back to the working 1TB (has 3.55 on it) gives prompt to reinstall 2.70, doing so errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
Entering Factory Service Mode with 1TB and let it reinstall via lv2diag results fine without errors: UPDATER_LOG.TXT
Boot to XMB with Service Mode still activated
- No problems to get into XMB, but checking System Settings > System Information shows size detection issues (the '30 G' seems to be FSM related):

System Software  Version 2.70
IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Free Space       30 G

Exit Factory Service Mode
No problems to get into XMB, and checking System Settings > System Information shows no size detection issues:

System Software  Version 2.70
IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Free Space       827GB / 931GB

Conclusion: <1TB works fine in all modi.

maximum size external drive

External HDD : You can format it to any size up to 8TB

note: this seems untrue, because when >2TB drives have hit the market, no screenshots of >2TB external storage are known

sources used: source: http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html#PS3_Harddrive and euss temp blog
todo: flush out errors, merging in a readable format

AES-256-CBC versus AES-256-XTS

There is conflicting mention of sources for the algo/mode used for GameOS encryption.

Fact:

Sony/IBM loves AES
256bit based
sectorsize 512 bytes (4096 bits)
blockcipher
recurring patterns are seen

Reference:

Experimental Tables

A collection of productsheets/datasheets renamed and ordered by series http://www.sendspace.com/file/yi4zi6 (fujitsu series are missing)

All HDD models are 2.5" and 9.5 milimeters height max, with 1 platter, rotating at 5.400 rpm with 512 bytes per sector
Brand	Series	Model	Capacity	Rotation Speed (Platters/Heads)	Buffer	Interface	Seek Speeds				Power Requirements				Operating Temp.	Noise Max	Used in PS3 Models
Brand	Series	Model	Capacity	Rotation Speed (Platters/Heads)	Buffer	Interface	tracks	latency	read	write	startup	idle	read	write	Operating Temp.	Noise Max	Used in PS3 Models

Fujitsu	MHW	MHW2040BH	40 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-150	1.5 ms	5.56 ms	12 ms	14 ms	1.0 A	0.60 W	1.9 W	1.9 W	55 ºC	2.0 bels	CECHJxx
	MHZ	MHZ2080BH	80 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-300	1.5 ms	5.56 ms	12 ms	14 ms	1.0 A	0.60 W	1.9 W	1.9 W	55 ºC	2.4 bels	CECHKxx, CECHLxx
	MHZ	MHZ2160BH	160 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-300	1.5 ms	?.?? ms	?? ms	?? ms	1.0 A	0.60 W	2.1 W	2.1 W	55 ºC	2.0 bels	CECHPxx, CECHQxx

Hitachi	Travelstar 5K160	HTS541640J9SA00	40 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-150	2.2 ms	5.50 ms	14 ms	15 ms	1.0 A	0.85 W	1.8 W	1.8 W	55 ºC	2.7 bels	CECHHxx
	Travelstar 5K250	HTS542580K9SA00	80 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-150	2.2 ms	5.50 ms	14 ms	15 ms	1.0 A	0.85 W	1.8 W	1.8 W	55 ºC	2.7 bels	CECHLxx
	Travelstar 5K500	HTS545012B9SA00	120 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-150	2.2 ms	5.50 ms	14 ms	15 ms	0.9 A	0.80 W	1.4 W	1.4 W	55 ºC	2.9 bels	CECH-20xxA
	Travelstar Z5K500	HTS545050A7E380	500 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.2 ms	5.50 ms	13 ms	13 ms	0.9 A	0.55 W	1.6 W	1.6 W	60 ºC	2.1 bels	CECH-40xxC

Seagate	Momentus 5400.2	ST96812AS	60 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-150	1.5 ms	5.56 ms	12 ms	14 ms	1.1 A	0.99 W	1.9 W	2.3 W	55 ºC	3.1 bels	CECHAxx, CECHCxx
	Momentus 5400.3	ST980811AS	80 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-150	1.5 ms	5.56 ms	11 ms	13 ms	1.0 A	0.75 W	1.9 W	1.8 W	60 ºC	3.2 bels	CECHExx
	LD25 SATA	ST920217AS	20 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	2 MB	SATA-150	2.0 ms	5.60 ms	16 ms	16 ms	1.0 A	?.?? W	2.3 W	2.3 W	55 ºC	2.7 bels	CECHBxx
	LD25 SATA	ST9402115AS	40 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	2 MB	SATA-150	2.0 ms	5.60 ms	16 ms	16 ms	1.0 A	2.00 W	2.3 W	2.3 W	55 ºC	2.7 bels	CECHGxx, CECHHxx
	LD25 5400.2	ST940210AS	40 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	2 MB	SATA-150	1.5 ms	5.60 ms	15 ms	15 ms	1.0 A	2.50 W	2.3 W	2.3 W	60 ºC	2.6 bels	CECHJxx

Toshiba	MKxx52GSX	MK8052GSX	80 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	?.?? ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.85 W	2.0 W	2.0 W	55 ºC	25 dBA	CECHLxx
	MKxx52GSX	MK1652GSX	160 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	?.?? ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.85 W	2.0 W	2.0 W	55 ºC	25 dBA	CECHPxx
	MKxx55GSX	MK1255GSX	120 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	5.55 ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.85 W	1.4 W	1.4 W	55 ºC	2.0 bels	CECH-20xxA
	MKxx55GSX	MK2555GSX	250 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	5.55 ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.85 W	1.4 W	1.4 W	55 ºC	2.0 bels	CECH-20xxB
	MKxx65GSX	MK1665GSX	160 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	?.?? ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.75 W	1.5 W	1.5 W	55 ºC	20 dBA	CECH-25xxA
	MKxx65GSX	MK3265GSX	320 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	?.?? ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.75 W	1.5 W	1.5 W	55 ºC	20 dBA	CECH-25xxB
	MKxx76GSX	MK1676GSX	160 GB	5400rpm (1/1)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	5.55 ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.55 W	1.5 W	1.5 W	55 ºC	20 dBA	CECH-30xxA
	MKxx76GSX	MK3276GSX	320 GB	5400rpm (1/2)	8 MB	SATA-300	2.0 ms	5.55 ms	12 ms	12 ms	0.9 A	0.55 W	1.5 W	1.5 W	55 ºC	20 dBA	CECH-30xxB

Meassuring units notes
- Watts = Amps * volts (or... Amps = Watts / Volts)
- There is no conversion formula between "bels" (sound power) and "dBA" (sound pressure)... are different meassure concepts and cant be compared

PS3 models missing in the table:
- CECHMxx 80GB <--- Toshiba MK8052GSX, or fujitsu MHZ2080BH, or hitachi HTS542580K9SA00 ?
- CECH-21xxA 120GB <--- toshiba MK1255GSX ?
- CECH-21xxB 250GB <--- toshiba MK2555GSX ?
- CECH-25xxA 120GB <--- toshiba MK1255GSX ?
- CECH-25xxB 250GB <--- toshiba MK2555GSX ?
- CECH-40xxA 12GB <--- Flash storage NAND ?
- CECH-40xxB 250GB <--- hitachi Travelstar (Z5K500 series) - HTS545025A7E380 (1 head), or toshiba MK2555GSX (old) ?

Speed Tests (PC)
Brand	Series	Model	Windows															Linux
			[HDtune]						[HDtach]				[ATTO]			[PassMark]		[hdparm -Tt]
			Min. ^(MB/s)	Max. ^(MB/s)	Average ^(MB/s)	Access ^(ms)	Burst ^(MB/s)	Link	Average ^(MB/s)	Burst ^(MB/s)	Access ^(ms)	Link	Write ^(MB/s)	Read ^(MB/s)	Link	Score ^(points)	Link	Cache read ^(MB/s)	Disk read ^(MB/s)	Link

Fujitsu	MHW	MHW2040BH	18	38	30	?	?	Notes	28.2	28.5	21.8	[1]			N/A	214	[1]			N/A
	MHZ	MHZ2080BH	13.6	61.8	46.0	18.3	72.2	[1]				N/A			N/A	311	[1]			N/A
	MHZ	MHZ2160BH	33.4 15.4 31.7 6.7 29.3 27.8	68.2 63.4 63.1 63.5 60.2 60.2	54.3 50.4 50.5 46.1 46.4 46.9	17.2 17.4 17.3 19.3 21.9 17.4	75.2 75.7 75.2 71.5 81.1 66.3	[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]	57.3	77.3	17.3	[1]	66444	64450	[1]	245	[1]			N/A

Hitachi	Travelstar 5K160	HTS541640J9SA00	15.2	48.7	38.8	17.1	91.3	[1]	40.5	116.3	17.1	[1]			N/A	261	[1]			N/A
	Travelstar 5K250	HTS542580K9SA00	22.1	44.3	34.4	17.4	77.0	[1]	36.0	?	16.9	[1]			N/A	226	[1]			N/A
	Travelstar 5K500	HTS545012B9SA00	36.5	79.2	62.0	20.2	99.9	[1]				N/A			N/A	363?	[1]			N/A
	Travelstar Z5K500	HTS545050A7E380						N/A				N/A			N/A		N/A			N/A

Seagate	Momentus 5400.2	ST96812AS	19.7	39.0	31.2	16.9	90.5	[1]				N/A			N/A	236	[1]			N/A
	Momentus 5400.3	ST980811AS	23.6	53.2	41,4	12.5	96.4	[1]				N/A			N/A	240	[1]			N/A
	LD25 SATA	ST920217AS	2.0	30.9	23,9	21.0	100.9	[1]				N/A			N/A	171	[1]			N/A
	LD25 SATA	ST9402115AS						N/A				N/A			N/A	182	[1]			N/A
	LD25 5400.2	ST940210AS	21.0	30.6	27.2	18.5	22.8	[1]	34.8	88.1	16.6	[1]			N/A	234	[1]			N/A

Toshiba	MKxx52GSX	MK8052GSX	6.6 9.7	61.2 27.5	46.0 24.3	18.1 19.1	87.3 24.7	[1] [2]				N/A			N/A	326	[1]			N/A
	MKxx52GSX	MK1652GSX	16.9 20.1 31.2 20.5	61.8 61.9 61.8 61.8	49.5 48.7 50.2 47.2	18.1 18.0 18.7 18.1	73.0 72.8 73.3 76.7	[1] [2] [3] [4]	50.6	151.8	18.1	[1]	57604	61077	[1]	341	[1]			N/A
	MKxx55GSX	MK1255GSX	24.8	72.4	52.9	17.6	74.3	[1]				N/A			N/A	395	[1]			N/A
	MKxx55GSX	MK2555GSX						N/A				N/A			N/A		N/A			N/A
	MKxx65GSX	MK1665GSX	45.9	93.8	74.6	16.8	203.6	[1]	77.3	242.6	16.7	[1]	97969	93858	[1]		N/A			N/A
	MKxx65GSX	MK3265GSX						N/A				N/A			N/A		N/A			N/A
	MKxx76GSX	MK1676GSX	46.0	96.7	76.6	16.2	206.6	[1]				N/A			N/A		N/A			N/A
	MKxx76GSX	MK3276GSX	41.9	89.6	68.0	16.8	143.2	[1]				N/A			N/A	516	[1]			N/A

Needs verification
- seagate ST940210AS - "HDtach test" values has been taken from the old table from "HDtune" cells (i supposed was misplaced)
- All ATTO tests gives 2 different values, in the old table sometimes is not clear wich one is read/write
- toshiba MK3276GSX - "crystal tests" missing in the new table (are really needed?)

Speed Tests (PS3)
Brand	Series	Model	Linux			GameOs
			[hdparm -Tt]			N/A
			Cache read ^(MB/s)	Disk read ^(MB/s)	Link

Fujitsu	MHW	MHW2040BH			N/A
	MHZ	MHZ2080BH			N/A
	MHZ	MHZ2160BH			N/A

Hitachi	Travelstar 5K160	HTS541640J9SA00			N/A
	Travelstar 5K250	HTS542580K9SA00			N/A
	Travelstar 5K500	HTS545012B9SA00			N/A
	Travelstar Z5K500	HTS545050A7E380			N/A

Seagate	Momentus 5400.2	ST96812AS			N/A
	Momentus 5400.3	ST980811AS			N/A
	LD25 SATA	ST920217AS			N/A
	LD25 SATA	ST9402115AS			N/A
	LD25 5400.2	ST940210AS			N/A

Toshiba	MKxx52GSX	MK8052GSX			N/A
	MKxx52GSX	MK1652GSX			N/A
	MKxx55GSX	MK1255GSX			N/A
	MKxx55GSX	MK2555GSX			N/A
	MKxx65GSX	MK1665GSX			N/A
	MKxx65GSX	MK3265GSX			N/A
	MKxx76GSX	MK1676GSX			N/A
	MKxx76GSX	MK3276GSX			N/A

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 **All ATTO tests gives 2 different values, in the old table sometimes is not clear wich one is read/write
 **toshiba MK3276GSX - "crystal tests" missing in the new table (are really needed?)
+{| class="wikitable"
+|+Speed Tests (PS3)
+! rowspan=3 | Brand !! rowspan=3 | Series !! rowspan=3 | Model !! colspan=3 | Linux !! GameOs
+|-
+! colspan=3 | [[http://www.serverschool.com/server-configuration/hard-disk-testing-with-hdparm/ hdparm -Tt]] !! N/A
+|-
+! Cache read<BR /><sup>(MB/s)</sup> !! Disk read<BR /><sup>(MB/s)</sup> !! <abbr title="If there is no link available for the speed test, please include your notes in this format">Link</abbr>
+|-
+! colspan=6 |
+|-
+! rowspan=3 | Fujitsu
+! MHW
+| [[MHW2040BH]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! rowspan=2 | MHZ
+| [[MHZ2080BH]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+| [[MHZ2160BH]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! colspan=6 |
+|-
+! rowspan=4 | Hitachi
+! Travelstar 5K160
+| [[HTS541640J9SA00]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! Travelstar 5K250
+| [[HTS542580K9SA00]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! Travelstar 5K500
+| [[HTS545012B9SA00]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! Travelstar Z5K500
+| [[HTS545050A7E380]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! colspan=6 |
+|-
+! rowspan=5 | Seagate
+! Momentus 5400.2
+| [[ST96812AS]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! Momentus 5400.3
+| [[ST980811AS]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! rowspan=2 | LD25 SATA
+| [[ST920217AS]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+| [[ST9402115AS]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! LD25 5400.2
+| [[ST940210AS]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! colspan=6 |
+|-
+! rowspan=8 | Toshiba
+! rowspan=2 | MKxx52GSX
+| [[MK8052GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+| [[MK1652GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! rowspan=2 | MKxx55GSX
+| [[MK1255GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+| [[MK2555GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! rowspan=2 | MKxx65GSX
+| [[MK1665GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+| [[MK3265GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! rowspan=2 | MKxx76GSX
+| [[MK1676GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+| [[MK3276GSX]] || ||
+! N/A
+|-
+! colspan=6 |
+|-
+|}

Talk:Harddrive: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 09:15, 11 December 2012

Contents

Todo

maximum size internal drive

Personal experience

Using Normal Mode and Recovery - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle)

Using Factory Service Mode - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle) FSM

Going back to the 1TB and crosschecking

maximum size external drive

AES-256-CBC versus AES-256-XTS

Experimental Tables

Navigation menu

Talk:Harddrive: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 09:15, 11 December 2012

Todo

maximum size internal drive

Personal experience

Using Normal Mode and Recovery - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle)

Using Factory Service Mode - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle) FSM

Going back to the 1TB and crosschecking

maximum size external drive

AES-256-CBC versus AES-256-XTS

Experimental Tables

Navigation menu

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