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== Problem with syscon pinout numeration in wiki in the SWX-xxx series (128 pins package) ==
== Notes ==
In all the SWX-xxx series pages the pinout is numered starting with the pin1 at bottom-left corner (when viewing the syscon in the same orientation than the printed texts) this way:
*The SoftID (Syscon firmware build id) of retail chips is a 1:1 mapping to the syscon model. So each syscon model does have a unique SoftID.
*"""pin 1 left bottom at mark, counter clockwise from south (pins 1-38) to east (pins 39-64), north (pins 65-102), west (103-128))"""
*Every syscon within a series (CXR, SW, SW2, SW3) is backwards compatible, e.g. every CXR Syscon works on the COK-001, but only 202GB and newer on a COK-002.
In the first SW series is barelly visible (in the photos it looks is not marked) but in newer series is more visible, and is located at bottom-rigth corner, see this photos i marked:
*The SW and the SW2 are not interchangable (because of the CEC handling which uses hardcoded HDMI stuff).
http://666kb.com/i/cnj3qic8k412x3p8r.jpg
*The actual platform configuration which defines the board on the which Syscon resides is stored in the EEPROM (CXR) or Flash data section (SW), it can be mapped to the platform id.
*In theory even the SW(1) chips work on Mullion boards if you adapt them.


*All photos are taken from wiki visibles in his respective pages... look for the original photo to see it in better resolution (when posible because there are not much photos of syscons in wiki or internet)
== Prototype sherwoods ==
 
The sherwood table already have a row for D79F0073, should we add a couple more rows for D79F0086 and D79F0123 ?
If this is correct, is needed to change the info about the pinout in all the affected pinout tables (in all SWX-xxx pages)
 
== PowerON/off HDMI/CEC, WiFi, Bluetooth, GbLAN, buttons etc ==
There is no seperate communication processor on the PS3. Powering is handled by syscon.
 
*Power and eject buttons/switchs are connected with syscon (indirectly), there is no protocol involved, the syscon pins related with this buttons has 2 posible states: 3.3v (when button is not pressed)... or 0v (when button is pressed)
 
== Multipage Correction ==
<TizzyT> eussnl my syscon is CXR714120-301GB its different form what the wiki says
CECHH / DIA-001
 
=== Package ===
http://pastie.org/private/tkcfjwit37huzyzoie7z5g BGA
 
ball count: 4x16 + 8x14 + 2x12 = 64+112+24 = 200 pads
 
new QF package is 26 * 38 = 128 pins
 
=== Clocks ===
SysCon clocks:
T4 XTAL / T5 EXTAL goes to [X4001] of 16.9344 MHz
C16 OSCIN / B16 OSCOUT goes to [X4002] of 32.768 kHz
http://oi52.tinypic.com/2s9ziw0.jpg
 
=== Backup Mode / Diag ===
BACKUP_MODE / DIAG_MODE pins on Gen 2 might be pins 110 and 111. They are pulled low.
Not completely sure, but looking at those pins in relation to what's around them seems like it could be those two.
 
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SEM-001 CECHG
Pink is N15 BACKUP_MODE
Blue is N16 DIAG_MODE
picture: http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f149/26456d1300550098-brick-recovery-research-untitled-1.jpg
source: http://psx-scene.com/forums/780185-post344.html !unverified!
 
According to schematics, DIAG and BACKUP_MODE are are shown in the following picture for COK-001 and COK-002 Motherboards - http://goput.it/69k.jpg
These pins are tied to 3.3v so grounding them should enable each mode respectively.
!unverified!
 
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=== SoftID ===
''Note: moved from seperate page, as there are already over 8 different syscon pages and the very same info is mention in depth on the SC firmware and SC hardware page (and in 150 wiki edits on the sysinfo page :/) we dont have a sperate page for every SELF flag either ;) (although there are >4 pages describing SELF :/)''
 
a SoftID is just a 0x4 code that tells you the hardware revision of the syscon.<br />
This info can be get through the [[More System Information]] method.<br />
You can find them also inside the SYS_CON_FIRMWARE_*********.pkg ([[Syscon_Firmware]]) at the offset '''0x28E''' (In this link you can found the list of the [[Syscon_Firmware#Known_Retail_syscon_update_packages| Syscon update packages]])<br />
every SoftID is associated with the ps3 mainboard. this means that you can know if a SC is compatible with your board without opening a PS3 ([[Syscon_Hardware#Serialnumbers_.40_SKU| Syscon Hardware]])
 
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
! SoftID !! SC Generation !! notes
|-
! colspan="4" id="null"| Phats
|-
| 0B8E || 1 || -
|-
| 0C16 || 2 || -
|-
| 0D52 || 3 || -
|-
| 0DBF || 4 || -
|-
| 0E69 || 5 || -
|-
| 0F29 || 6 || -
|-
| 0F38 || 7 || -
|-
| 065D || 8 || -
|-
! colspan="4" id="null"| Slims
|-
| 0832 || 9 || -
|-
| 08C2 || 10 || -
|-
| 0918 || 11 || -
|-
|}
 
=== Datasheet of SoC similar to syscon ===
* [http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/294279/SONY/CXR704060.html Sony CXR704060 datasheet.pdf] [http://mir.cr/LJOMNBFO mirror]
 
== COK-002 with 0DBF syscon ==
 
Information:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UiaHRjhdt50/UesKSGuxdFI/AAAAAAAAGOU/0FV8Fazyl60/s800/TV2013072019053700.jpg
 
Min ver:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iUOuidm6v3g/UexEQily6TI/AAAAAAAAGOk/zSfBMpYDRAM/s800/TV2013072117272000.jpg
 
Board type:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K1sc66WzJxo/Ue1Mdr5mHeI/AAAAAAAAGO8/rnqlidQAVfY/s800/DSC01591.JPG
 
Syscon:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OTxjx3qJV0M/Ue1L2itOfRI/AAAAAAAAGO0/Bv6zli_xQQg/s800/DSC01590.JPG
 
 
'''Talk'''
 
-This breaks lot of standards/pages/tables in wiki, can you add some notes please ?. E.g: the board came from official repair service, bought in a normal shop, or is a frankenstein made at home ?, it boots correctly and allows firmware updates ?. If it works normally i think this proves CXR713120-20xGB and CXR714120-30xGB shares the same pinout, but the fact that is using 0DBF SoftID is a bit shocking (maybe because is the minimal SoftID allowed by CXR714120-30xGB ?... [[Talk:More_System_Information | check SoftID examples in this table]]) --[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] 22:07, 24 July 2013 (MSK)
 
-The console is a CECHE01 MG (Metal Gear Solid 4 edition) and came with a 3rd generation BD drive (the first type with 2 lens). It had never been to SONY for service. It works normally, correctly and as you could see, has a minimum version which is compatible with the motherboard type. --l_oliveira
 
 
== SHA1 hashes stored at eeprom ==
 
from http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html
 
"Files finally stored into the FLASH regions have their associated SHA-1 hash value stored in the SYSCON EEPROM for authentication and verification purposes. "
 
What happens if we change those hashes to something a 3.55 ofw would have? (assuming we were doing this experiment on a hackable console?)
 
== PS2 Mechacon vs PS3 Syscon vs PS4 Syscon ==
 
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Production Start Date (<=) || PS2 Mechacon !! PS3 Syscon !! PS4 Syscon !! Used IC/CPU Core
|-
| 10/1999 || CXP101064 || - || - || rowspan="2" | Sony SPC970 (100 pin)
|-
| ??/2000 || CXP102064 || - || -
|-
| ??/2001 || CXP103049 || - || - || Sony SPC??? (136 pin)
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
| colspan="5" |
|-
| 01/2004 || CXR706080 || ? || - || rowspan="3" | Sony SR11<br>PS2 (''Dragon''): 164 pin<br>PS3: 200 pin
|-
| 09/2004 || CXR716080 || CXR713120 || -
|-
| 07/2007 || CXR726080 || CXR714120 || -
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
| colspan="5" |
|-
| 03/2008 || - || SW || - || NEC D79F0073 / D78F11AA (78K0R/KH3, 128 pin)
|-
| 05/2009 || - || SW2 || - || NEC D79F0086 / ? (78K0R/KH3, 128 pin)
|-
| 06/2011 || - || SW3 || - || NEC D79F0123 / ? (78K0R/KG3, 100 pin)
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
| colspan="5" |
|-
| 07/2013 || - || - || C0L || Renesas R5F100PL (RL78/G13, 100 pin)
|-
| 04/2015 || - || - || C0L2 || Renesas R5F100LL (RL78/G13, 64 pin)
|-
|}
 
* The SPC900 core was designed by Texas Instruments [[https://www.linkedin.com/in/hirakawa-katsunobu-55b09b2]]
* ''CXP101064'', ''CXP102064'' are similar to CXP97 (''CXP971000'', ''CXP972032'', '''CXP973064''', ''CXP973F064'')
** In-Circuit-Emulator: Mitek NICE-SPC970 [[http://www.hitechfacility.co.jp/details.php?id=E0001913]]; Debug software: SVD970; Flash programmer: SFP-2
* A ''F'' inside the model name specifies if the IC contains flash memory.
** Mass-produced units don't have/use program flash memory, instead a encrypted firmware patch is stored on the data-"EEPROM" (applies for PS3 and PS4)
* CXR7 series uses Sony SR11 CPU (ARM7TDMI)
** Models with public datasheet: ''CXR702080'', ''CXR702F080'', ''CXR704060''
** Maybe based on the Texas Instruments TMS470R1 series (derived from TMS470R1B512 ?)
* Prototype PS3 Syscon's:
** ''CXR713F120A'' Syscon used on (early) pre-release prototypes, e.g. [[CEB-2030]], [[DECR-1000]], [[DEH-H1001-D]], [[DEH-H1000A-E]]
** [[DEH-FH1500J-A]] with [[VERTIGO-02]] board and SW series prototype ''D79F0073''
** [[CBEH-H2001]] with [[SUR-00x#SURTEES-03|SURTEES-03]] board and SW2 series prototype ''D79F0086''
** [[DEH-ML00AK-G]] with [[MPX-001 (Prototype)]] board and SW3 series prototype ''D79F0123''

Latest revision as of 18:25, 4 November 2021

Notes[edit source]

  • The SoftID (Syscon firmware build id) of retail chips is a 1:1 mapping to the syscon model. So each syscon model does have a unique SoftID.
  • Every syscon within a series (CXR, SW, SW2, SW3) is backwards compatible, e.g. every CXR Syscon works on the COK-001, but only 202GB and newer on a COK-002.
  • The SW and the SW2 are not interchangable (because of the CEC handling which uses hardcoded HDMI stuff).
  • The actual platform configuration which defines the board on the which Syscon resides is stored in the EEPROM (CXR) or Flash data section (SW), it can be mapped to the platform id.
  • In theory even the SW(1) chips work on Mullion boards if you adapt them.

Prototype sherwoods[edit source]

The sherwood table already have a row for D79F0073, should we add a couple more rows for D79F0086 and D79F0123 ?

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