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==Alphabetical order of the table rows in the compatibility lists==
=Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here=
Since some months ago, the tables used in the compatibility lists uses the "sortable" feature (see [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting 1] and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting 2]) and is relativelly easy to find the game names incorrectly ordered. The proceure to check if the order is right is:
No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems
#) Reload the page (just incase you had the page already loaded and you was clicking in the sorting arrows, by reloading the page we are resetting all he columns sortings to defaults)
 
#) Click in the arrow at top of the "Name" column and see if some of the horizontal rows have moved. If one or more rows was moved it means that rows are incorrectly ordered<br>
==Wiki main page templates restructuring==
The procedure to fix it is pretty much the same, the trick is to keep attention at how mediawiki is reordering them when we click in the arrows:
I think we need a new template on main page for the game compatibility lists, actually right now are inside a "revere engineering" template and thats not right. Additionally we have the page OFW2CFW game compatibility list that doesnt fits in any other template... so in few words we need a {{Game Compatibility Lists}} template for the main page... or something like that (any idea is welcome)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
#) Click in "edit" in one of the page sections
#) Click in the arrow at top of the "Name" column
#) Move the problematic rows up/down by copypasting them
#) Update the sortings by clicking in "show preview"<br>
In the long tables (bigger than your vertical screen size) is needed to repeat it a few times to realize which row is the culprit and where needs to be relocated. The final confirmation that all the rows has been correctly ordered is if we click in the "Name" arrow and all the rows '''stays in his position''' (this means the order how are written in the page matches with the sorting methods used internally by mediawiki software)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 12:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


==Discussion, ideas, brainstormings goes here==
==PS1, PS2, PSP Game compatibility lists in talk pages==
No hurry this rebuilding take days, weeks or more in the way i see, at this day (october 7 2017) the emulation frontpage and talk pages has been splitted and cleaned up completly, the reason for this carnage is because i think is better to start from scratch without any restriction in how are going to look and his purposes, there are a lot fo details needed to be mentioned but this is just an introductory explain of the discussion that goes under this line, feel free to join the party by giving your ideas and oppinions and help to solve the problems
There was some huge compatibility lists made by euss iirc that has been moved to [[Talk:PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[Talk:PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], and [[Talk:PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]. Was made long ago when there was no pages in wiki dedicated to games compatibility, now we are using a new style for game compatibility lists such [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]], we should try to move that info to the new format and creating all the needed new pages for the different "emulation enviroments" (i like how sounds this concept btw, is noob friendly, explicit, and accurate)--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


===Bringing back some moved texts===
==Bringing back some moved texts==
Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Probably there are lot of small sentences or sections that has been moved to the other pages... but could fit well here because are general concepts or could work as an introduction... the rule of gold now is this page is "noob oriented" and the others are "technically oriented", im not experienced in emulators so much to make this changes rewriting and moving texts back and forth and i fear to "break" something though--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 13:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


===Wiki navigation tables/lists for emulation frontpage===
==About the names used in the new pages==
[[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]], [[PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]... Are long names and a bit redundant, the tail "in PS3 firmware" is because i want to avoid any missunderstandign incase some wiki editor wants to write something related with other kind of emulators (not included as part of PS3 firmware), so if at some point other people wants to create new pages about other type of emualators (standalone programas) then is ok, wiki is ready for that because this names are very explicit, also the names includes the concept of "emulation enviroments" because PS3 firmware contains several emulators of each emulated platform (the newemu, netemu, softemu etc...). To solve the problem of the long page names has been created the redirections [[PS1 Emulators]], [[PS2 Emulators]], [[PSP Emulators]], im not sure if is a good idea to use them though, if someone has a better idea we are on time of changing all this, if there is some important change needed to do related with this page names discuss it here because this is the kind of thing that needs to be changed better soon than later--[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 14:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 
*Some time has passed and there was not much feedback about the new names, and was not positive, and in some way i have to agree that are very complex names, so im going to do some big changes today/tomorrow, in short and in this order: the pages are going to be moved to [[PS1 Emulation]] [[PS2 Emulation]] [[PSP Emulation]] with the talkpages and leaving redirects behind, template in main page needs to be modifyed, together with some links roxanne made in the last days to the pages that are going to be renamed, the other redirects [[PS1 Emulators]] [[PS2 Emulators]] [[PSP Emulators]] needs to stay because appears in the history of other pages when i was moving texts back and forth but needs to be modifyed too
*Also, i made a partial cleanup of the PS2 Emulation talk page, but still there are some huge tables there intended for game compatibility reports and are empty, are only useful because contains a lot of game names but im not so sure how usefull could be in the future so i dont want to delete them, at least by now, but i want to move them out there to make the talk page usable by reducing his size, after thinking about this a lot (and as a temporal meassure) im going to move all that to a "children" hidden page under the PS2 Emulation talk page, after that im going to move all the ps2 tables i made in my user talk page, i made them there because PS2 emulation talk page was collapsed of info and it started like something very experimental but at this point i think are ok
 
=Table tests goes here=
All tests with tables, design or style experiments to try to show the info in a intuitive way goes here
 
==Wiki avigation tables/lists for emulation frontpage==


*ps1_emu.self
*ps1_emu.self
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**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PS3/EXPORT/PSV/<Save_ID>.PSV
**savedata format (mc)    - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
**savedata format (mc)    - mc_root/ (by using a memory card adapter)
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED


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**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/SCEVMC0.VMP
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/SCEVMC0.VMP
**savedata format (mc)    - allowed ?
**savedata format (mc)    - allowed ?
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]


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**game format              - ?
**game format              - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PS1 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - needed ?
**game compatibility list  - needed ?


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**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_and_PlayStation_2_games_compatible_with_PlayStation_3.html
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED


*ps2_gxemu.self
*ps2_gxemu.self
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**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**game install            - yes (only few games, by using a PS2 virtual hdd IMAGE.DAT)
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_and_PlayStation_2_games_compatible_with_PlayStation_3.html
**game compatibility list  - NEEDED


*ps2_softemu.self
*ps2_softemu.self
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**game format              - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
**game format              - original CD/DVD inserted in the drive
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - not needed (abandoned officially and superseded by netemu)
**game compatibility list  - not needed (abandoned officially and superseded by netemu)


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**savedata format/path    - APPDIR/USRDIR/SAVEDATA/SCEVMC0.VME and SCEVMC1.VME
**savedata format/path    - APPDIR/USRDIR/SAVEDATA/SCEVMC0.VME and SCEVMC1.VME
**settings                - by using CONFIG files
**settings                - by using CONFIG files
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PS2 Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]


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**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
**savedata format (usb)    - dev_usb0/PSP/SAVEDATA/<SAVEDATA_DIRECTORY>/Files
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]
**game compatibility list  - [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]


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**game format              - ?
**game format              - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**savedata format/path    - ?
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation]]
**technical page          - [[PSP Emulation enviroments in PS3 firmware]]
**game compatibility list  - Needed ? (for minis ?)
**game compatibility list  - Needed ? (for minis ?)


==PS2 Config Commands splitting==
==Game Compatibility lists (template for wiki main page)==
I think is about time to split the [[PS2 Emulation#Config Commands]] (currently a page section) into a dedicated page named [[PS2 Config Commands]] that could be included in [[Template:Reverse engineering]] (next to [[PS2 Emulation]]). The [[Template:Boxcomm]] used currently was a temporal visual fix to avoid a massive TOC in [[PS2 Emulation]] but in the dedicated page we will not need it (there is another named [[Template:Boxtip1]] [[Template:Boxtip2]] [[Template:Boxtip3]] more handy to include some "noob friendly" descriptions), every command will be a page section (and we will be able to read the complete list of comand names in the TOC, edit them individually, and see the changelog in the "recent changes" page indiividually too). The new page doesnt needs to be composed as a single list of commands '''only''' (page sections), we can create many other sections as example to prepare some kind of intro/tutorial of related stuf (even the tools used to dissasembly, or the tricks used to debug in PC emulators), or use other alternative names for the page name like "The PS2 Config Workshop", comment below with your suggestions. This splitting also implyes we need to move the speculative/unconfirmed info from the old talk page to the new talk page --[[User:Sandungas|Sandungas]] ([[User talk:Sandungas|talk]]) 08:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
{{Navbox
 
|name      = Game Compatibility lists
== PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List ==
|title      = [[Game Compatibility lists]]
 
|image      = [[File:Imbox featured.png|50px|link=|alt=]]
I'm posting here as [[Talk:PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]] is not open for new topics.
|listclass  = hlist
 
|state      = uncollapsed
Anyhow, [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]'s categories of ((ps2classic)) and ((playable)) say **It works exactly like when you play it on a real PS2 Console**, but this is absolutely not true. There are bugs in several official netemu games, bugs that are even noted on the compatibility list. Furthermore, the netemu doesn't even support mipmaps, which means any games using mipmaps by definition cannot work exactly as on a real PS2. Currently, 11.67% of PS2 games are marked as ((minorissues)), but with more serious scrutiny this figure should be higher.
 
Here is how I would rewrite the senior two categories:
 
<big>((ps2classic))</big>
 
Released for the PS3 in the PlayStation Store, the compatibility is certified by Sony.
 
'''Generally, it works exactly like when you play it on a real PS2 Console.'''


|group1    = PS3
|list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[CFW2OFW Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}


|group2    = PS2
|list2    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PS2 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}


<big>((playable))</big>
|group3    = PS1
|list3    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PS1 Classics Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}


Works perfect without any noticeable error.
|group4    = PSP
|list4    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |group1  =
  |list1    = {{Navbox subgroup
  |list1  = [[PSP Emulator Compatibility List]]
  }}
}}


'''It works exactly like when you play it on a real PS2 Console,''' the compatibility is at least as good as ((ps2classic))
}}
* Hi, this has been brought up several times in the past by other people. It does not make logical sense to have such strict conditions on compatibility. For example, Silent Hill 2 *without* config would most definitely qualify for ((minorissues)) due to continual character flickering, graphical errors, math inaccuracies, etc. The config fixes all of these issues. Switching it to ((minorissues)) due to one door's graphical glitch in a room in the middle of the game would just not make sense. Additionally, GTA:SA's custom config only adds the pressure sensitive buttons. It does not change anything else, so the glitches you are stating would be version agnostic and not directly relating to the custom config. For GTA III, an additional config command was taken from the ps2_gxemu config to fix some text flashing as the US PS2 Classic already has an issue related to this, so this may cause the game to work a little differently for sure. Which version of GTA III did you test with the custom config? --[[User:Mrjaredbeta|Mrjaredbeta]] ([[User talk:Mrjaredbeta|talk]]) 15:19, 29 September 2024 (CEST)


==Emulator files changelog==
*I made a table intended to be generic for PS1, PS2, PSP emulator files, is copypasted here incase someone wants to use it as a guinea pig to show your ideas to other wiki editors, and to discuss if is needed to modify or add/remove something because i think i sucessfully made room in it for everything that i thought could be interesting to be displayed in it (im 100% happy with it... by now), im not going to modify the original one i did in the PS1 talk page and i have no idea what will happen to it (abandoned, completed, moved, etc...), im not going to try to complete it, that would need lot of info i dont have, so use this one as guinea pig, the other was a experiment and has been left in pause from my side


** Hello. In my testing, the San Fierro fog issue and tree transparency issue did not appear with the stock config; this could of course entirely be the renderer being picky with the time of day. Additionally, based on YouTube footage uploaded by SuperMegaGta, the San Andreas graphical bugs (sans the polygon gaps) do not appear on the PSN version, which makes it possible that the PSN ISO was modified by Sony/Rockstar to accommodate the netemu (the hash is certainly different from my own BIN.ENC's). There is an additional graphical bug in my testing that does not appear on the PSN version: colour banding. I experienced heavy colour banding, which was especially noticeable on helicopter searchlights and the night sky. As for GTA III, I used the NTSC v1.40 ISO. - [[User:Editor 1|Editor 1]] 14:03, 29 September 2024 (GMT) '''EDIT:''' I have now installed the PSN version and tested it, and I encountered the San Fierro fog issue during the morning. I did not encounter the tree transparency issue. I have confirmed that the colour banding issue I mentioned before affects the PSN version as well; does the netemu support dithering? San Andreas originally ran in a low colour depth on PS2 and required dithering to smooth the gradients out.
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:x-small;"
|+PS1 Emulators versions
! rowspan="2" | File Name !! rowspan="2" | Size<BR />(bytes) !! rowspan="2" | Hash<BR />(MD5) !! colspan="9" | Firmware !! colspan="3" | Emulator info !! rowspan="2" | Notes, notable changes, etc...
|-
! [[1.00_CEX|1.00]] !! [[1.02_CEX|1.02]] !! [[1.10_CEX|1.10]]~[[1.60_CEX|1.60]] !! [[1.70_CEX|1.70]] !! [[1.80_CEX|1.80]]~[[2.01_CEX|2.01]] !! [[2.10_CEX|2.10]] !! [[2.16_CEX|2.16]]~[[4.11_CEX|4.11]] !! [[4.15_CEX|4.15]]~[[4.80_CEX|4.80]] !! [[4.81_CEX|4.81]] !! Revision !! Contents !! Others
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_emu.elf<br>(decrypted)
| 10.296.408 || C5FE03742A951194C336EE33783F5CD6 || {{no}} || {{yes}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 2.765.616 || 2123E3D6A8E81647CB41F51AFEE6CCD6 || colspan="2" {{no}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_netemu.elf<br>(decrypted)
| ? || ? || colspan="3" {{no}} || {{yes}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 2.913.656 || 8765A00EE467B8635A13ECCBB1F85B89 || colspan="4" {{no}} || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_newemu.elf<br>(decrypted)
| ? || ? || colspan="5" {{no}} || {{yes}} || ? || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 2.649.272 || 0C76DE974439B12546EA494639C8EE9A || colspan="6" {{no}} || ? || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|-{{cellcolors|lightgrey}}
! rowspan="2" | ps1_rom.bin<br>(original)
| ? || <abbr title="this needs to be replaced by the MD5">CRC32:D5FF6273</abbr> || colspan="5" {{no}} || colspan="2" {{yes}} || ? || {{no}} || <abbr title="this is a temporal identifyer used for wiki purposes until someone finds and documents the official internal revision number of this specific emulator file... after knowing that we can replace the vX by the real revision number">v1</abbr> ||  ||  ||
|-
| 524.288 || 81BBE60BA7A3D1CEA1D48C14CBCC647B || colspan="7" {{no}} || ? || {{yes}} ||  ||  ||  ||
|}
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