Editing Talk:Harddrive

== Todo ==

Need help getting data for the different SKU models and the default harddrive they are equiped with.

There is still some conflicting data to be sorted out, e.g.:

=== maximum size internal drive ===
<pre>The maximum size of the internal harddrive that the PS3 supports is 1TB (TeraBytes) 

note: this seems untrue as there are several people posting pictures of their external to internal drive mod with a size of 2TB</pre>
==== Personal experience ====
===== Using Normal Mode and Recovery - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle) =====
* Using Recovery it is possible to finish the format of the harddrive until 100%. The system however fails to reboot automaticly after that and halts. When enforced to reboot, it errors out with "Wrong Harddrive".
* When trying all the other Recovery Menu options it errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
* When trying to boot to XMB it also errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
* When replacing the drive for the previous tested 1TB harddrive, it boots without errors to XMB and reports : 827GB free/931GB total
;Conclusion: <span style="color:red; background-color:white;">&gt;1TB didn't not work.</span>

===== Using Factory Service Mode - when trying to install a 1.5TB 3.5" drive as internal (using an eSATA cradle) FSM =====
* Second try, using Service Mode
* first replacing drive for original 120GB 2.5" and using Factory Service Mode to downgrade to lowest firmware the system can handle (2K slim -> FW 2.70)
** Result is fine. Log showed no errors : [http://pastie.org/4562646 UPDATER_LOG.TXT]
* Replaced for 1.5TB 3.5" drive and do exactly the same 2.70 again
** Result is fine. Log showed no errors : [http://pastie.org/4562658 UPDATER_LOG.TXT]
* Boot to XMB with Service Mode still activated
** No problems to get into XMB, but checking System Settings > System Information shows size detection issues:
 System Software  Version 2.70
 IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
 MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
 Free Space       30 G
* Exit Factory Service Mode
** Blank screen freeze when trying to boot to XMB in normal mode
* Power off and try again gives "system software was not installed correct" error
* inserted USB with 2.70 on normal location and START+SELECT button to let it reinstall
** Preparing Update counts to 100% and then halts (does not reboot), just like in first trial.
* Manual poweroff and reboot just results in blank screen with no harddrive activity
;Conclusion: <span style="color:red; background-color:white;">&gt;1TB didn't not work in normal or recovery mode only with FSM enabled.</span>
===== Going back to the 1TB and crosschecking ===== 
* Replacing drive back to the working 1TB (has 3.55 on it) gives prompt to reinstall 2.70, doing so errors out with "Harddrive Error 0x8002F281".
* Entering Factory Service Mode with 1TB and let it reinstall via lv2diag results fine without errors: [http://pastie.org/4562828 UPDATER_LOG.TXT]
* Boot to XMB with Service Mode still activated
** No problems to get into XMB, but checking System Settings > System Information shows size detection issues (the '30 G' seems to be FSM related):
 System Software  Version 2.70
 IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
 MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
 Free Space       30 G
* Exit Factory Service Mode
* No problems to get into XMB, and checking System Settings > System Information shows no size detection issues:
 System Software  Version 2.70
 IP Address       xxx.xxx.x.xxx
 MAX Address      xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
 Free Space       827GB / 931GB
;Conclusion: <span style="color:green; background-color:white;">&lt;1TB works fine in all modi.</span>

=== maximum size external drive ===
<pre>External HDD : You can format it to any size up to 8TB

note: this seems untrue, because when &gt;2TB drives have hit the market, no screenshots of >2TB external storage are known</pre>

* sources used: source: http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html#PS3_Harddrive and euss temp blog
* todo: flush out errors, merging in a readable format


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== AES-256-CBC versus AES-256-XTS ==

There is conflicting mention of sources for the algo/mode used for GameOS encryption.

Fact:
*Sony/IBM loves AES
*256bit based
*sectorsize 512 bytes (4096 bits)
*blockcipher
*recurring patterns are seen
Reference:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipher-block_chaining CBC - Cipher-block_chaining mode]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_encryption_theory#XTS XTS - XEX-based Tweaked CodeBook mode]

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==Experimental Tables==

A collection of productsheets/datasheets renamed and ordered by series http://www.sendspace.com/file/yi4zi6 (fujitsu series are missing)

{| class="wikitable"
|+All HDD models are 2.5" and 9.5 milimeters height max, with 1 platter, rotating at 5.400 rpm with 512 bytes per sector
! rowspan=2 | Manufacturer !! rowspan=2 | Series !! rowspan=2 | Model !! rowspan=2 | Capacity !! rowspan=2 | Rotation Speed<BR />(Platters/Heads) !! rowspan=2 | Buffer !! rowspan=2 | Interface !! rowspan=2 | !! colspan=4 | Seek Speeds !! rowspan=2 | !! colspan=4 | Power Requirements !! rowspan=2 | !! rowspan=2 | Operating<BR />Temp. !! rowspan=2 | Noise<BR />Max !! rowspan=2 | Used in PS3 Models
|-
! tracks !! latency !! read !! write !! startup !! idle !! read !! write
|-
! colspan=21 | 
|-
! rowspan=3 | Fujitsu
! MHW
| [[MHW2040BH]] || 40 GB  || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-150 |||| 1.5 ms || 5.56 ms || 12 ms || 14 ms |||| 1.0 A || 0.60 W || 1.9 W || 1.9 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.0 bels || [[CECHJxx]]
|-
! rowspan=2 | MHZ
| [[MHZ2080BH]] || 80 GB  || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 1.5 ms || 5.56 ms || 12 ms || 14 ms |||| 1.0 A || 0.60 W || 1.9 W || 1.9 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.4 bels || [[CECHKxx]], [[CECHLxx]]
|-
| [[MHZ2160BH]] || 160 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 1.5 ms || ?.?? ms || ?? ms || ?? ms |||| 1.0 A || 0.60 W || 2.1 W || 2.1 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.0 bels || [[CECHPxx]], [[CECHQxx]]
|-
! colspan=21 | 
|-
! rowspan=4 | Hitachi
! Travelstar 5K160
| [[HTS541640J9SA00]] || 40 GB  || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-150 |||| 2.2 ms || 5.50 ms || 14 ms || 15 ms |||| 1.0 A || 0.85 W || 1.8 W || 1.8 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.7 bels || [[CECHHxx]]
|-
! Travelstar 5K250
| [[HTS542580K9SA00]] || 80 GB  || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-150 |||| 2.2 ms || 5.50 ms || 14 ms || 15 ms |||| 1.0 A || 0.85 W || 1.8 W || 1.8 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.7 bels || [[CECHLxx]]
|-
! Travelstar 5K500
| [[HTS545012B9SA00]] || 120 GB || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-150 |||| 2.2 ms || 5.50 ms || 14 ms || 15 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.80 W || 1.4 W || 1.4 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.9 bels || [[CECH-20xx]]A 
|-
! Travelstar Z5K500
| [[HTS545050A7E380]] || 500 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.2 ms || 5.50 ms || 13 ms || 13 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.55 W || 1.6 W || 1.6 W |||| 60 ºC || 2.1 bels || [[CECH-40xx]]C
|-
! colspan=21 | 
|-
! rowspan=5 | Seagate
! Momentus 5400.2
| [[ST96812AS]]   || 60 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-150 |||| 1.5 ms || 5.56 ms || 12 ms || 14 ms |||| 1.1 A || 0.99 W || 1.9 W || 2.3 W |||| 55 ºC || 3.1 bels || [[CECHAxx]], [[CECHCxx]]
|-
! Momentus 5400.3
| [[ST980811AS]]  || 80 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-150 |||| 1.5 ms || 5.56 ms || 11 ms || 13 ms |||| 1.0 A || 0.75 W || 1.9 W || 1.8 W |||| 60 ºC || 3.2 bels || [[CECHExx]]
|-
! rowspan=2 | LD25 SATA
| [[ST920217AS]]  || 20 GB || 5400rpm (1/1) || 2 MB || SATA-150 |||| 2.0 ms || 5.60 ms || 16 ms || 16 ms |||| 1.0 A || ?.?? W || 2.3 W || 2.3 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.7 bels || [[CECHBxx]]
|-
| [[ST9402115AS]] || 40 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 2 MB || SATA-150 |||| 2.0 ms || 5.60 ms || 16 ms || 16 ms |||| 1.0 A || 2.00 W || 2.3 W || 2.3 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.7 bels || [[CECHGxx]], [[CECHHxx]]
|-
! LD25 5400.2
| [[ST940210AS]]  || 40 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 2 MB || SATA-150 |||| 1.5 ms || 5.60 ms || 15 ms || 15 ms |||| 1.0 A || 2.50 W || 2.3 W || 2.3 W |||| 60 ºC || 2.6 bels || [[CECHJxx]]
|-
! colspan=21 | 
|-
! rowspan=8 | Toshiba
! rowspan=2 | MKxx52GSX
| [[MK8052GSX]] || 80 GB  || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || ?.?? ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.85 W || 2.0 W || 2.0 W |||| 55 ºC || 25 dBA   || [[CECHLxx]]
|-
| [[MK1652GSX]] || 160 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || ?.?? ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.85 W || 2.0 W || 2.0 W |||| 55 ºC || 25 dBA   || [[CECHPxx]]
|-
! rowspan=2 | MKxx55GSX
| [[MK1255GSX]] || 120 GB || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || 5.55 ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.85 W || 1.4 W || 1.4 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.0 bels || [[CECH-20xx]]A
|-
| [[MK2555GSX]] || 250 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || 5.55 ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.85 W || 1.4 W || 1.4 W |||| 55 ºC || 2.0 bels || [[CECH-20xx]]B
|-
! rowspan=2 | MKxx65GSX
| [[MK1665GSX]] || 160 GB || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || ?.?? ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.75 W || 1.5 W || 1.5 W |||| 55 ºC || 20 dBA   || [[CECH-25xx]]A 
|-
| [[MK3265GSX]] || 320 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || ?.?? ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.75 W || 1.5 W || 1.5 W |||| 55 ºC || 20 dBA   || [[CECH-25xx]]B
|-
! rowspan=2 | MKxx76GSX
| [[MK1676GSX]] || 160 GB || 5400rpm (1/1) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || 5.55 ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.55 W || 1.5 W || 1.5 W |||| 55 ºC || 20 dBA   || [[CECH-30xx]]A
|-
| [[MK3276GSX]] || 320 GB || 5400rpm (1/2) || 8 MB || SATA-300 |||| 2.0 ms || 5.55 ms || 12 ms || 12 ms |||| 0.9 A || 0.55 W || 1.5 W || 1.5 W |||| 55 ºC || 20 dBA   || [[CECH-30xx]]B
|-
! colspan=21 | 
|-
|}

*Meassuring units notes
**Watts = Amps * volts (or... Amps = Watts / Volts)
**There is no conversion formula between "bels" (sound power) and "dBA" (sound pressure)... are different meassure concepts and cant be compared

*PS3 models missing in the table:
**[[CECHMxx]] 80GB <--- Toshiba [[MK8052GSX]], or fujitsu [[MHZ2080BH]], or hitachi [[HTS542580K9SA00]] ?
**[[CECH-21xx]]A 120GB <--- toshiba [[MK1255GSX]] ?
**[[CECH-21xx]]B 250GB <--- toshiba [[MK2555GSX]] ?
**[[CECH-25xx]]A 120GB <--- toshiba [[MK1255GSX]] ?
**[[CECH-25xx]]B 250GB <--- toshiba [[MK2555GSX]] ?
**[[CECH-40xx]]A 12GB <--- Flash storage NAND ?
**[[CECH-40xx]]B 250GB <--- hitachi Travelstar (Z5K500 series) - [[HTS545025A7E380]] (1 head), or toshiba [[MK2555GSX]] (old) ?




{| class="wikitable"
|+PC Speed Tests
! rowspan=2 | Manufacturer !! rowspan=2 | Series !! rowspan=2 | Model !! rowspan=2 | !! colspan=5 | HDtune !! rowspan=2 | !! colspan=3 | HDtach !! rowspan=2 | !! colspan=2 | ATTO !! rowspan=2 | !! PassMark !! rowspan=2 | !! rowspan=2 | Notes/Links
|-
! min !! max !! average !! access !! burst !! average !! burst !! access !! write !! read !! score
|-
! colspan=20 | 
|-
! rowspan=3 | Fujitsu
! MHW
| [[MHW2040BH]] |||| 18 MB/s || 38 MB/s || 30 MB/s || ? || ? |||| 28.2 MB/s || 28.5 MB/s || 21.8 ms ||||  ||  |||| 214 ||
! www...
|-
! rowspan=2 | MHZ
| [[MHZ2080BH]] |||| 13.6 MB/s || 61.8 MB/s || 46.0 MB/s || 18.3ms || 72.2 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 311 ||
! www...
|-
| [[MHZ2160BH]] |||| 33.4 MB/s <BR />15.4 MB/s <BR />31.7 MB/s <BR />6.7 MB/s <BR />29.3 MB/s <BR />27.8 MB/s || 68.2 MB/s <BR />63.4 MB/s <BR />63.1 MB/s <BR />63.5 MB/s <BR />60.2 MB/s <BR />60.2 MB/s || 54.3 MB/s <BR />50.4 MB/s <BR />50.5 MB/s <BR />46.1 MB/s <BR />46.4 MB/s <BR />46.9 MB/s || 17.2ms <BR />17.4ms <BR />17.3ms <BR />19.3ms <BR />21.9ms <BR />17.4ms || 75.2 MB/s <BR />75.7 MB/s <BR />75.2 MB/s <BR />71.5 MB/s <BR />81.1 MB/s <BR />66.3 MB/s |||| 57.3 MB/s || 77.3 MB/s || 17.3ms |||| 66444 KB/s || 64450 KB/s |||| 245 ||
! HDtune Test 1 [[www...]]<BR />HDtune Test 2 [[www...]]<BR />HDtune Test 3 [[www...]]<BR />HDtune Test 4 [[www...]]<BR />HDtune Test 5 [[www...]]<BR />HDtune Test 6 [[www...]]
|-
! colspan=20 | 
|-
! rowspan=4 | Hitachi
! Travelstar 5K160
| [[HTS541640J9SA00]] |||| 15.2 MB/s || 48.7 MB/s || 38.8 MB/s || 17.1 ms || 91.3 MB/s |||| 40.5 MB/s || 116.3 MB/s || 17.1 ms ||||  ||  |||| 261 ||
! www...
|-
! Travelstar 5K250
| [[HTS542580K9SA00]] |||| 22.1 MB/s || 44.3 MB/s || 34.4 MB/s || 17.4ms || 77.0 MB/s |||| 36.0 MB/s || ? || 16.9ms  ||||  ||  |||| 226 ||
! www...
|-
! Travelstar 5K500
| [[HTS545012B9SA00]] |||| 36.5 MB/s || 79.2 MB/s || 62.0 MB/s || 20.2ms || 99.9 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 363? ||
! www...
|-
! Travelstar Z5K500
| [[HTS545050A7E380]] ||||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||||  ||
! www...
|-
! colspan=20 | 
|-
! rowspan=5 | Seagate
! Momentus 5400.2
| [[ST96812AS]] |||| 19.7 MB/s || 39.0 MB/s || 31.2 MB/s || 16.9 ms || 90.5 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 236 ||
! www...
|-
! Momentus 5400.3
| [[ST980811AS]] |||| 23.6 MB/s || 53.2MB/s || 41,4 MB/s || 12.5 ms || 96.4 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 240 ||
! www...
|-
! rowspan=2 | LD25 SATA
| [[ST920217AS]] |||| 2.0 MB/s || 30.9 MB/s || 23,9 MB/s || 21.0 ms || 100.9 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 171 ||
! www...
|-
| [[ST9402115AS]] ||||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 182 ||
! www...
|-
! LD25 5400.2
| [[ST940210AS]] |||| 21.0 MB/s || 30.6 MB/s || 27.2 MB/s || 18.5ms || 22.8 MB/s |||| 34.8 MB/s || 88.1 MB/s || 16.6 ms ||||  ||  |||| 234 ||
! www...
|-
! colspan=20 | 
|-
! rowspan=8 | Toshiba
! rowspan=2 | MKxx52GSX
| [[MK8052GSX]] |||| 6.6 MB/s <BR />9.7 MB/s || 61.2 MB/s <BR />27.5 MB/s || 46.0 MB/s <BR />24.3 MB/s || 18.1ms <BR />19.1ms || 87.3 MB/s <BR />24.7 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 326 ||
! www... <BR />www... 
|-
| [[MK1652GSX]] |||| 16.9 MB/s <BR />20.1 MB/s <BR />31.2 MB/s <BR />20.5 MB/s || 61.8 MB/s <BR />61.9 MB/s <BR />61.8 MB/s <BR />61.8 MB/s || 49.5 MB/s <BR />48.7 MB/s <BR />50.2 MB/s <BR />47.2 MB/s || 18.1ms <BR />18.0ms <BR />18.7ms <BR />18.1ms || 73.0 MB/s <BR />72.8 MB/s <BR />73.3 MB/s <BR />76.7 MB/s |||| 50.6 MB/s || 151.8 MB/s || 18.1ms |||| 57604 KB/s || 61077 KB/s |||| 341 ||
! www... <BR />www...  <BR />www...  <BR />www... 
|-
! rowspan=2 | MKxx55GSX
| [[MK1255GSX]] |||| 24.8 MB/s || 72.4 MB/s || 52.9 MB/s || 17.6ms || 74.3 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 395 ||
! www...
|-
| [[MK2555GSX]] ||||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||||  ||
! www...
|-
! rowspan=2 | MKxx65GSX
| [[MK1665GSX]] |||| 45.9 MB/s || 93.8 MB/s || 74.6 MB/s || 16.8ms || 203.6 MB/s |||| 77.3 MB/s || 242.6 MB/s || 16.7ms |||| 97969 KB/s || 93858 KB/s ||||  ||
! www...
|-
| [[MK3265GSX]] ||||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||||  ||
! www...
|-
! rowspan=2 | MKxx76GSX
| [[MK1676GSX]] |||| 46.0 MB/s || 96.7 MB/s || 76.6 MB/s || 16.2ms || 206.6 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  ||||  ||
! www...
|-
| [[MK3276GSX]] |||| 41.9 MB/s || 89.6 MB/s || 68.0 MB/s || 16.8ms || 143.2 MB/s ||||  ||  ||  ||||  ||  |||| 516 ||
! www...
|-
! colspan=20 | 
|-
|}

*Needs verification
**seagate ST940210AS - "HDtach test" values has been taken from the old table from "HDtune" cells (i supposed was misplaced)
**All ATTO tests gives 2 different values, in the old table sometimes is not clear with one is read/write
**toshiba MK3276GSX - "crystal tests" missing in the new table (are really needed?)