Talk:Graf's PSGroove Payload

<Slynk> Hmm had a thought : / You know how the token and token seed are made at the same time? That means the token seed isn't passed into the processor... what is? It can't be just your idps right? Unless sony doesn't use the HV to make their tokens. There must be other info passed in that determines whether you receive a dummy token or the full one. ... Just a thought. ^^;

<rms> i can make my own tokens from a nor/nand dump. just like hypervisor

<kevin6548> so what does that mean when a sedd is created it passes something to proccessor . nit the whole seed but a by product of creating it . is that theroy

<rms> seed is calculated from eid which allows token to be calculated. its more of a byproduct/intermediate product. if you do the math, its simple: v+s+f+h=t