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We got info0 + info1, 64bytes each
We got info0 + info1, 64bytes each
content is 2845bytes, total is data length 2973
content is 2845bytes, total is data lenght 2973
info0, info1 are not encrypted
info0, info1 are not encrypted
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=collecting spkg_hdr.1 signatures=
=collecting spkg_hdr.1 signatures=
I've started collecting into an SQLite database all publicily available ECDSA signatures from spkg.hdr.1 files, to research.<br />
I've started collecting into an SQLite database all publicily available ECDSA signatures of spkg.hdr.1 files, to research.
Note that here I've named 3.57 the 3.56#2 one! I know, 3.57 doesn't exist.
*get spkg_hdr.tar file from PS3UPDAT.PUP, here I've just added an argument to pupunpack to extract only the needed section:
*get spkg_hdr.tar file from PS3UPDAT.PUP, here I've just added an argument to pupunpack to extract only the needed section:
  ps3tools # ./pupunpack ../PS3\ 3.56\ OFW/PS3UPDAT.PUP ../PS3\ 3.56\ OFW/unpacked 7
  ps3tools # ./pupunpack ../PS3\ 3.56\ OFW/PS3UPDAT.PUP ../PS3\ 3.56\ OFW/unpacked 7
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  sig = 0001bd4af80d5e8f190baea58e6613e5672d1c29a8000dcfad27f4edcef9f0b9f000759d89ebb050d871
  sig = 0001bd4af80d5e8f190baea58e6613e5672d1c29a8000dcfad27f4edcef9f0b9f000759d89ebb050d871
  ...
  ...
*since collector can also export to STDOUT, we can already filter, sort...
*collector can also export to STDOUT, we can filter, sort...
  # ./ps3tools/collector 2 | head -12
  # ./ps3tools/collector 2 | head -12
  Connection successful
  Connection successful
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  # ./ps3tools/collector 2 | grep "r =" | sort | uniq | wc -l
  # ./ps3tools/collector 2 | grep "r =" | sort | uniq | wc -l
  298 lines (no same r!)
  298 lines (no same r!)
*database can be accessed via SQL query too, it contains binary blobs
*database can be accessed via SQL query too, but it contains binary blobs...
  # sqlite3 /tmp/collector_db.sqlite3
  # sqlite3 /tmp/collector_db.sqlite3
  SQLite version 3.8.5 2014-06-04 14:06:34
  SQLite version 3.8.5 2014-06-04 14:06:34
  Enter ".help" for usage hints.
  Enter ".help" for usage hints.
  sqlite> SELECT HEX(dig) FROM spkg_hdr WHERE name = "SYS_CON_FIRMWARE_01010303.pkg.spkg_hdr.1 3.70";
  sqlite> SELECT * FROM spkg_hdr WHERE name = "SYS_CON_FIRMWARE_01010303.pkg.spkg_hdr.1 3.70";
  7215D87859A31889F5FB931BDED988A95AF6A38E
  SYS_CON_FIRMWARE_01010303.pkg.spkg_hdr.1 3.70|rØxY£‰õû“Ùˆ©Zö£Ž|
*we can just use a browser plugin to deal with database
*we can just use a browser plugin to deal with database
[[File:Collector.png|200px|thumb|spkg_hdr SQLite table]]
[[File:Collector.png|200px|thumb|spkg_hdr SQLite table]]
=questions=
'''z'''<br />
why you collect these hashes and signatures?<br />
Now if 2 digests are different then R signatures would be diffenet too. Pseudo Random number (that used to creating signature) now is F(digest);<br />
If digests are same then Pseudo Random numbers are same too ->> R sigs would be same and S sigs would be same.<br />
For every digest, we have 1 and only 1 signature (R,S). If you want obtain private key, you need to find an algorithm for generating pseudo random number from the digest.<br />
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'''m'''<br />
ECDSA signature is the (r, s) keypair:<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm#Signature_generation_algorithm
*first part, r
to compute r you have to (3) select a random integer, (4) calculate the curve point first, to finally (5) take the x coordinate mod n.
*the random integer
that random integer in signature generation is equal to select the random integer in the priv/pub keypair generation.<br />
that number is the temporary or ephemeral key.<br />
for every signature the algorithm needs one random integer, that must be never reselected, else epic fail.<br />
*digest
hash function is SHA1, you know, collision resistant: we can "never" have two different messages that produces the same sha1sum, else a collision.<br />
they also uses metadata info to change the message to sign from .pkg to .spgk_hdr.1 files, else they signs the same digest with different curve. (who other noticed/know this?)
*second part, s
s is computed from the digest and the latter r.
*why
suppose that you are doing trial point multiplication (x) computing: p = k x G to guess for the correct k that had produced our public point p.<br />
instead of checking only for exactly p, the pub, now you can consider that you have some hundreds of correct/public x coordinate mod n to check/guess for.<br />
or, in other words: I can luckily select an integer that, even isn't the priv, is the ephemeral key that had produced a valid signature.<br />
what could happen if I get an ephemeral key?
*those two needs investigation
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| 1. "''For every digest, we have 1 and only 1 signature (R,S).''"<br />Sorry, but don't think so, because as you can have read, r comes from a random number.<br />2. "''Pseudo Random number (that used to creating signature) now is F(digest);''"<br />They can't be so idiots, since digest is ever known...<br /> || [[File:Signing with my keypair.png|100px|thumbnail]]
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*example of different signatures from custom keypair to test for dig: da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709<br />
pub: df4222f3bff899845d203cd9373358ff7a0752f501c7f378195c0ac7e157f61e14ff231d73a0137f<br />
sig0: 008e8eaee8452d2915ef2186358079ee82a7c90d410063de8d98f012778596c14eb0df17f7464da65a02<br />
sig1: 00fdb20299e37c4a23a6cdc07ee0e91539e58ae62b00fc8ec36e79d2de33b4569f7968ea2211a4a92bef<br />
sig2: 0067af6858bf5bc2eb239dfcb997bc0c21fbaf16dc002f1c4cd4dcc5d71037d65caf05bbbccfce4f7fc1<br />
=playing on the vsh curve=
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|'''z'''<br />
So I will show for you that R = Function(digest) and what this fail is not so critical.
I was interested for edat algorithm and figured out how edats (and sdat) files are signed.<br />
It contains 2 non-randomfailed ecdsa signatures. http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/EDAT_files#Structure_.28Encrypted_Format.29<br />
first one is metadata signature and the second one is header signature. There are some edat files created from data files with 0 byte length, that contains metadata with 0 byte length.<br />
There are examples: original pkg links: http://is.gd/naLaxh , http://is.gd/IFtWmq it contains destiny.edat and hdd_package_key.edat , both files have metadata with 0 byte length.<br />
Hex code of the edats: http://pastie.org/private/ejoloa5qjjy8wlkezadga , http://pastie.org/private/fbr9uphpjzm0xd4gqfuyg .<br />
So Both edats have metadata digiest = DA39A3EE5E6B4B0D3255BFEF95601890AFD80709 , R = A2732E0161E20C290108FDD0B567120C42AAB3D2 , S = B894E8775AFF90A3CBB6CC08BC918C14F759D439<br />
So if digests are same then pseudo_random_numbers are same and signatures are same.<br />
Please make your conclusions.<br />
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|'''m'''<br />You have already seen differences between two files, but maybe some other not. Here a png.<br />Page is telling me that at 0xB0 there is an ECDSA signature, and you are pointing out that we have the same (ECDSA) signature on two different files !?!<br />1. I see your "same signature", but how do you get "metadata digest = DA39A3EE5E6B4B0D3255BFEF95601890AFD80709" from both?<br />2. Conclusion to me are that at 0xB0 there is not an ECDSA signature, so: have you checked? Have you validated? Have you proven that r, s is the valid signature for the digest?<br />3. There is also another aspect to not forget: alignment (%16 = 0), so there is an ECDSA signature in 40 bytes? does not sound good to me...<br />4. SHA-1 produces a fixed length of 20 bytes: at wiki page I read "''0x40 QA digest, size 0x10 (seems like to be a SHA-1 hash of the non-finalized file) ... Can be ... zeroed on forged file.''" !?!<br />5. There are two ECDSA signatures on an EDAT file and only one to protect CORE_OS_PACKAGE.pkg from alteration !?!?! || [[File:EDATs diff.png|thumbnail|100px]]
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|'''z'''<br />
1. metadata length = 0 bytes for both files, so digest for empty message is DA39A3EE5E6B4B0D3255BFEF95601890AFD80709.<br />
2. r,s validated and valid of course. so you can use make_npdata the newest version for validate signatures into edats. there are no mistakes, it is realy ecdsa sig.<br />
3. Both signatures has 40 bytes, first 20 bytes is R , second 20 bytes is S.<br />
4. Sony used full 20 bytes length sha1 hash for validate ECDSA signatures.<br />
5. Correct info. SCE pkg file have only header signature. edat have metadata sig and header sig.<br />
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|'''m'''<br />You are right, I've verified all, as you can see in my shots.<br />I've also noticed one thing that explain something: with zeroed ECDSA signature every digest results in a valid signature!<br />Why?<br />Because the signature becomes the point at infinity!<br />That's because on signature generation when r = 0 you have to select another random integer, as 0 < rand < n! And the same applies for s.<br />But really cool stuff can happen exacly with this kind of crazyness!||[[File:EDAT signatures on vsh curve 1.png|thumbnail|100px]] || [[File:EDAT signatures on vsh curve 2.png|thumbnail|100px]]
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|'''z'''<br />Im verified metadata and header signatures for both edat files. Check my screenshotes please. || [[File:Hdd_package_key.edat_ECDSA_validation.jpg|thumbnail|100px]] || [[File:Destiny.edat_ECDSA_validation.jpg|thumbnail|100px]]
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|'''m'''<br />
Checked your data, validated the same:
r =    00a2732e0161e20c290108fdd0b567120c42aab3d2
s =    00b894e8775aff90a3cbb6cc08bc918c14f759d439
hash =  da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 < zerolength metadata digest
call to check_ecdsa return 1, signature is VALID!
r =    00ff83adbd03d9ba619f3a6d80efef6408561f08d2
s =    009c3102a2852cdda21648014c4d0a1471bd6512fc
hash =  c9210133558bedda8981e5e06d6189be0dee84f3
call to check_ecdsa return 1, signature is VALID!
r =    0011f2e3ded044e3ace8e4513306a81ee124356e7a
s =    00ac9e20528900839f7a577c4b84e026539b89425e
hash =  6db5d204d7f9fa19442209a27647c3973a7e7232
call to check_ecdsa return 1, signature is VALID!
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I can confirm your two signatures EDATs, when metadata length is zero the signature is valid as you told me and verified.<br />
could you try to validate a zeroed signature on two random hash with your implementation?<br />
f0f's one (and derived make_npdata) does not check for 1 < (r, s) < N - 1 as stated in signature verification algorithm, so a zeroed sig is valid for us!!<br />
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|'''z'''<br />Im tryed to validate a zeroed signature on two random hashes. Check my screenshot please. My Conclusion. Signatures R would be same only when random numbers are same. -->> Random numbers are not random again! So you can find another examples with another same digests and same signatures(R,S) -->> Random number are depends of digest. If we find algorithm how the "Random" numbers depends of the digests , we can calculate the "Random" number itself and obtain the private key.|| [[File:Zeroed_signature_validation.jpg|thumbnail|100px]]
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*conclusion<br />
when you EDAT have your famous zero metadata length, so the same digest, they MUST use EVER the same signature, else they let us solve the math!<br />
that's the real reason that explain also your wrong think about "''there is only one signature''" for a digest.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UbTT_2yxeM sample psl1ght app: ec_gmp]
[https://github.com/andoma/ps3toolchain ps3toolchain and psl1ght from andoma], [https://gmplib.org gmplib] port, [https://github.com/masterzorag/xbm_tools xbm font] in [https://scognito.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/sconsole-a-simple-function-for-printing-strings-on-ps3 sconsole]: compute P = kG to eternity
=Petitboot NAND/NOR precompiled images=
* Not sure what is happening with you right now, but do you have some petitboot precompiled images? That'd be nice contribution for the wiki. Thanks :)
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