Editing Talk:Cex2Dex

= External references =
* http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?p=400529#post400529

= CEX2DEX - pro versus con =

== Pro ==
{| class="wikitable sortable"
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! Function !! 3.55 !! 3.56 !! 3.60+ !! Remarks
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| Using the features of a debug console || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || To effectively use features, need to use SDK related files, e.g. TargetManager etc
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| Using FSELFs || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || To create fselfs, you must have the decrypted binairy first
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| Downgrading || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || Restricted to minver of that SKU/type (either metldr minver locked, or because of drivers - same limitations as Retail/CEX, but without hardware flasher)
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|}

== Con ==
{| class="wikitable sortable"
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! Function !! 3.55 !! 3.56 !! 3.60+ !! Remarks
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| Retail Functionality : Packages || {{No}} <br />(patchable) || {{No}}<br />(see 3.55) || {{No}}<br />(Disabled for that [[Target ID]]) || 
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| Retail Functionality : BD-Movies || {{No}} <br />(patchable) || {{No}}<br />(see 3.55) || {{No}}<br />(Disabled for that [[Target ID]]) || 
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| Retail Functionality : DVD-Movies || {{No}} <br />(patchable) || {{No}}<br />(see 3.55) || {{No}}<br />(Disabled for that [[Target ID]]) || 
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| Retail Functionality : PS Store || {{No}} <br />(patchable) || {{No}}<br />(see 3.55) || {{No}}<br />(Disabled for that [[Target ID]]) || 
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| PSN/SEN || {{No}} <br />(only when patched/spoofed to Retail AND passphrase is available) || {{No}}<br />(see 3.55) || {{No}}<br />(Server Whitelisting and nondebug IDPS fail) || 
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| More Stress to the console || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || Using TargetManager/Debugger increases memoryload, also heats up RSX more (there are known CECHA/CECHC that gotten YLOD after few weeks of usage, and behaved normally when converted back to Retail/CEX)
<!--// note: this was originally seen as urban legend, but factual real world proved otherwise. bottomline: calculated risk. 
COUNTERPRODUCTIVE EDIT WARRING: to people persistantly editing this away, please provide realworld data, not your basic 'it happens to all FAT' (this mention is about the _added_ risk, not the basic riskfactor that is common for all all 90nm RSX), as that does _not_ explain why consoles that are converted back work normaly //-->
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| Backups (via Manager) : &lt;=3.56 keyed || {{Yes}}<br />(same as Retail, would need lv1.self : mmap114 and lv2.self : peek/poke patches + Manager with DEX detection/payload) || {{Yes}}<br />(see 3.55) || {{No}} || 
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| Backups (via Manager) : &gt;=3.60 keyed || {{No}}<br />(same as Retail) || {{No}}<br />(see 3.55) || {{No}} || 
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| Backups (using ps3gen/bdemu) : &lt;=3.56 keyed || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}}<br />(see 3.55) || ? {{Yes}}  || 
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| Backups (using ps3gen/bdemu) : &gt;=3.60 keyed || {{No}} || {{No}} || {{Yes}} || 
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| OtherOS++ : Linux/BSD || {{Yes}} <br />(same as Retail, need patches) || {{No}}<br />(No one ported OtherOS++ MFW tasks to 3.56 yet, if someone does, see 3.55) || {{No}} || 
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| Firmware availability || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || {{No}}<br />(leaks always will lag behind) || Getting firmwares will always be a handicap, as they are not openly distributed/announced like Retail, only on SCEDevnet
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| Easily detectable and banned || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || {{Yes}} || 
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| HDCP off || {{No}} || {{No}} || {{No}} || Hardware limitations in the HDMI out chip (OTP ?) prevent from switching hdcp off even by forcing the setting <small>(see note below)</small>, HDCP would then appear off in the system settings but would actually still be on
<small>Note:<br />
Can use [http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/QA_Flagging#Debug_Menu_settings_not_in_Retail.2FCEX_QA QA debug] (&lt;=3.56) or setmonitor.self (ProDG Target Manager - Monitor Settings Utility). See also [http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/XRegistry.sys XRegistry.sys /setting/display/0/hdcp] to enforce it to "off" setting.</small>

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| Burned Master Discs || {{No}} || {{No}} || {{No}} || Hardware limitations in the Drive Id's (OTP not set to 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF) prevent from using burned ps3 and ps2 masterdiscs (they are recognized as data discs), this is a check performed by the drive's firmware.
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|}
Note about 3.56 : would need to use custom generated keys for signing, as the random fail is fixed since that version, thus no private keys can be acquired with Scekrit).

= Alternative method of writing back flash  (jaicrab / bad idea) =
Put these, including your target NOR file, named rflash.bin on a stick
 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35197530/Lv2diag.self
 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35197530/advance.cfg
Either use PSgrade/JIG and let the lv2diag.self be executed by lv1.self automaticly, or use MultiMAN self loader<br />
Will take a LONG time (35 minutes) until console stops blinking and shutdown with red led.


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= EID correctness =

   [8/31/2011 1:41:13 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: the information on the PS3 dev wiki was intentionally faulty
   [8/31/2011 1:41:15 AM] qqqqq: Use the creativity or fail to find it.
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   [8/31/2011 1:41:34 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: so people can't use the 'knowledge'
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   [8/31/2011 1:41:43 AM] qqqqq: xxxxxx, uuuu has done a very good job at fixing what IS wrong. If you saw something wrong, why didn't you ask uuuu about it to fix it?
   [8/31/2011 1:41:55 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: that's not what guys like rrrrrrr have told me
   [8/31/2011 1:41:58 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: it's intentionally faulty
   [8/31/2011 1:42:03 AM] qqqqq: Instead you left it  how it was and bitched about it.
   [8/31/2011 1:42:07 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: to prevent any meaningful extraction of keys
   [8/31/2011 1:42:11 AM] qqqqq: If it was fault again talk to uuuu
   [8/31/2011 1:42:24 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: no - uuuu could not have even known about it
   [8/31/2011 1:42:28 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: it was something only a kkkk could know
   [8/31/2011 1:42:45 AM] qqqqq: You'd be surprised what uuuu knows. he really is a walking encyclopedia of the ps3.
   [8/31/2011 1:42:48 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: that wiki is compromised with purposeful misinformation
   [8/31/2011 1:42:59 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: and that's what rrrrrrr actually said and thinks
   [8/31/2011 1:43:17 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: I'm talking about ps3 dev wiki BTW here
   [8/31/2011 1:43:25 AM] qqqqq: if it's providing false info, then why not make a site to provide the right info? *gasps*
   [8/31/2011 1:43:34 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: well he did make the suggestion
   [8/31/2011 1:43:38 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: but it didn't go over well with these people
   [8/31/2011 1:43:45 AM] yyyyyyyy: kkkk wasn't the only one with cex-dex shit
   [8/31/2011 1:43:50 AM] yyyyyyyy: hell he's not even the one who wrote it
   [8/31/2011 1:44:01 AM] yyyyyyyy: so you can stfu about that
   [8/31/2011 1:44:09 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: hell do I know who the fuck wrote CEX-DEX
   [8/31/2011 1:44:27 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: all I know is that there are a bunch of connivant shits that want a wiki intentionally 'disinfoed' like that
   [8/31/2011 1:44:35 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: people in the know
   [8/31/2011 1:44:49 AM] yyyyyyyy: and one conniving shit here trying to save his hide
   [8/31/2011 1:44:57 AM] qqqqq: xxxxxx, again as i said. If there was false info (Which uuuu would never do) Why not fix it
   [8/31/2011 1:45:21 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: go ask rrrrrrr - I dunno
   [8/31/2011 1:45:26 AM] qqqqq: DO you think he purposesly makes changes so that it's wrong? That'd create an even bigger headache if a noob attempted it and bugged us in the chat
   [8/31/2011 1:45:32 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: the EID/CEX-DEX info was incomplete
   [8/31/2011 1:45:33 AM] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: faulty


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= Trivia =

Neither the [http://ps3devwiki.com/wiki/SC_EEPROM#EEPROM_Offset_Table_-_Flags_and_Tokens FSELF Control Flag] nor the [http://ps3devwiki.com/wiki/SC_EEPROM#EEPROM_Offset_Table_-_Flags_and_Tokens Debug Support Flag] is changed, nevertheless, no functions of the DEX firmware are restricted, it behaves like a original one. Sony could just add checks in the upcoming DEX firmwares and patch this CEX -> DEX conversion method. Also this isn't a full cex-dex conversion, seeing as only the IDPS is changed only in EID0 and not also in EID5.